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Posted 10 June 2011 - 09:34 PM

As you know, I’ve been ill of late, with some kind of exhaustion-type annoyance. In fact, I’ve not been “right” for about 9 months, and haven’t been able to train more than 2 days on the bounce for a long while.

This has given me time to assess what I’ve been doing training-wise, and how I want to train in the future. For the past 2-3 years, it’s basically been Crossfit all the way, either straight up, or more recently strength bias. I’ve had good results with strength bias, including putting 20kg on my squat last year, so that was pretty pleasing. However, last year I started to feel like my conditioning was stalling, or possibly regressing.

At this point, I started to question why I did conditioning work, and came to the realisation that I was doing it for its own sake. In effect, I was doing CF metcons just for the sake of being good at Crossfit; I just wanted to get my benchmarks times down. But then about a year ago I decided to try my best not to do metcons that I had done before, so I wouldn’t get hung up on PBs. This worked for a while, but I still didn’t really enjoy the work, and couldn’t get away from the feeling that I was just doing conditioning for the sake of conditioning (a regular criticism of CF, and to be honest one that I’m coming to understand). It may not be too much of a stretch to suggest that 3 years of almost non-stop smashing myself with metcons has in part led to whatever has been wrong with me (burnout, anyone?).

So, time for a change. I’ve been toying with the idea of gymnastics for years, and have spent a fair but of time looking at the Gymnastics WOD site. So this has inspired me to do things. Firstly, spend hours poring over videos both on YouTube and GWOD, then trying to replicate various techniques at home. Secondly, to get my butt down to Basingstoke Gymnastics Club to get some coaching (about time I got a new hobby and met some new people anyway). So this is going to be a new focus for me – it’ll be good to get some training done that’s skill-based while also being hard work, without smashing myself into the ground as a measure of a good workout.

However, I also want to keep up with the strength work, since I started to really enjoy it, and I’ve been reading the Greyskull LP book which looks like a very interesting programme. So my own take on this programme is going into the mix too. And since I’d better keep some conditioning in there to make sure I don’t become totally deconditioned, I’m going to include some of that too, with far less CF-type metcon, nothing too long, and more sprints.

So I’ve had a think about my goals, and apart from the obvious body composition ones that nobody owns up to ;) I’m looking at, in no particular order:
• Increased strength
• Learn gymnastic skills
• Maintain/improve conditioning
• Improved general health, with a view to longevity rather than short-term gratification through PBs and feeling like I’ve been in a war(!).

So, once I get back on my feet properly, rather than the train-what-I-can-when-I-can scenario I’m currently having to put with, my schedule will look something like this:
1: Squat, press, sub-5 minute metcon;
2: Gymnastics class
3: Sprints (or hill sprints)
4: Deads, floor press, weighted pull-ups (maybe, although gymnastics might cover this);
5: Metcon and/or Oly lifting.
Obviously there will be rest days interspersed, and I’d like to try to get another, home-based, gymnastics session each week if I can. If I can fit all this lot into a week, I’ll be happy, but I think that it may take 8-9 days to get through each cycle of this.

One quick afterword – I’m knocking Crossfit with all this. I’ve had some great experiences with CF, learned some new skills, and most importantly met some great people. I still want to be “cross fit,” but with something of an emphasis on the gymnastics skills.

So, any thoughts, suggestions, opinions, questions, gratefully received.
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Posted 11 June 2011 - 02:24 PM

Mr C!!!

Well done mate...... you've come through an experience, you've sat down, evaluated, re-evaluated, and come to sensible conclusions [sensible for you and what your objectives are.......you must be a studied chap, eh? :D ]

Stick with the basics.....you cannot go wrong for sure...... if you are not training for anything specific, then basics are all that is generally needed.

Come to the conclusion that too many people think that to get strong [and read here your own definition] is complicated, and look for new, better, 'secret soviet' stuff, when the simple stuff, the basics are all that are needed along with consistency.

Tis nice to have a challenge now and again, but I find that I aim to enjoy the workout, I don't look to crush it every time I am in the gym; I enjoy the feeling of going in there and training......I don't work out, I train.......

I read this somewhere and stand by it [Indeed it is to be put on a T-shirt which is to be earned not purchased by my guys]

Train Like A Bad Ass:

Lift Heavy s***
Eat Food Not Calories
Do Tough s*** twice a week [Conditioning]
Make Fun of Everything
Be offended by nothing

Welcome to my World
Train Hard, Live Easy

Have it printed out and hanging on the fridge.

Had a similar discussion yesterday with a chap who walked into the facility yesterday, and asking if the guy doing crossfit was still around.......this led to a discussion about crossfit, training modality, objectives etc........Crossfitters train for Crossfit [as you quite succinctly wrote above]....tis great for getting people off their Ass and reminding them what hard work CAN be accomplished by the human body......however when racing against the clock, doing AMRAP, or PR'ing every session, standards slip and when standards slip injuries can occur.

I have a few clients who would love to see me workout, and expect me to crush it every time, and they are surprised when they do.......I work hard, but I aim to be as in the moment as much as possible, working through the full range of motion......savouring the lift, the grace of a move... I am not there to beat the other trainees and to smash them, I am there to train [for ME], not to win a workout contest.

Life is a journey buddy, to be enjoyed, to be savoured.......enjoy the direction, and change when necessary.

Always a pleasure, Mr C

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 06:21 PM

As mentioned before C, keep us updated how you get on. Gymnastics is defo next on the list for me too.
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Posted 13 June 2011 - 06:35 PM

Chris, firstly I have to say thank the f u c k!!!! I am truly surprised that someone of your calibre has taken so long to wake up:-( no insult intended you know that, but something that I will stand by. For as long as I have known you through the forums you have allowed the PB & the stopwatch to rule you every single training day!!! I have posted loads of s h I t about that in the past and so have some very respected names.

I want to finish this reply in an e-mail, you ok with that bud? It may not be pretty;-)

I will also say that I echo BC:-)

My final comment on the open forum is..... THANK the F U C K:-))

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Posted 14 June 2011 - 12:13 PM

Thanks for your support, guys. At the moment I still keep feeling pretty smashed, so only training when I get the urge.
Mark - no offence taken, mate. You may have a point about the stopwatch and the PB. :blush: Any input gratefully received, either by email (chapmancmc@hotmail.com), post here, pigeon, whatever.
Thanks again gents, took me a while to get round to posting this, but I'm glad I did.
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Posted 15 June 2011 - 04:10 PM

Response in the making:-)
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Posted 15 June 2011 - 05:58 PM

*braces himself* :unsure:
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Posted 15 June 2011 - 06:02 PM

he's quite gentle really - bit of a p**** cat I reckon!

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"Pain is weakness leaving the body"
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Posted 18 June 2011 - 01:23 PM

View PostMark C, on 13 June 2011 - 07:35 PM, said:

I want to finish this reply in an e-mail, you ok with that bud? It may not be pretty;-)


It wasn't pretty. :P ;)
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Posted 22 June 2011 - 06:59 PM

Very interesting article, and pretty relevant to what I've been going through.
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Posted 22 June 2011 - 09:59 PM

Interesting but all the same, written by someone who has been guided to something new by a passionate "disbeliever". I'd be interested to find out what goals she has for herself other than those suggested by her trainers. If I was being really cynical then you could even suggest she is the typical Crossfitter needing someone else to point her in a direction and tell her what to do.

Sorry if that comes accross negative, I just think it doesn't actually help much.
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 09:54 AM

Totally see what you mean mate. I was looking at it from the standpoint of diagnosing what I've been suffering from. Right now I'm looking at diagnosing that, rather than finding a way forward. Think right now the only real way forward is rest (see yesterday's entry in my trog), but gymnastics will be on the cards once (if ever) I get back to "normal".
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 06:32 PM

sounds like you need a good dod of that mate. a break is always a good time to take stock for sure. might also be worth trying something totally new just to get you out of your comfort zone and give you a new experience - i find it helps to reflect on what you normally do when you're doing stuff you don't normally do (if that makes sense).
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Posted 04 September 2011 - 08:23 PM

OK, been resting up for about 7 weeks now. Taken the time to recuperate, walk the dog, discuss things with learned men, read up on various training/eating/liftestyle info sources, and re-think what I want from my training. I'm still interested in training gymnastics (handstands are coming along nicely from regular mucking about with them), and I'm waiting for a local club to get its adult classes going. I've also read Christopher Sommer's "Building the Gymnastic Body".

The main things that I've seen that have influenced me in terms of training philosophy are Mark Sissons' Primal Blueprint Fitness and Movnat videos (and similar). The thing they have in common is the idea of training as play. Looking back, I always thought of training as work, so no wonder I stopped enjoying it. Having watched lots of MovNat vids while on holiday, I started taking the kids and dog out and doing that kind of thing, and not only was it fun, it got me plenty sweaty in the process! Bit of a lightbulb moment that, realised that I didn't have to beat the dogsh*t out of myself to train. I also like MovNat's emphasis on skills practice, rather than my previous emphasis on building work capacity for its own sake.

From PBF, I love the idea of maximum results from minimum work. With that in mind, going forward I've come up with a weekly plan based on the book's plan.

This is:
1 day per week sprints - speaks for itself really.
2 days per week what Sissons calls "Lift Heavy Things." He uses this for bodyweight strength training, I'm going to use these days for gymnastics strength work/progressions, based on what I've read in Gymnastic Body.
4 days per week rest or "Play." These I will play by ear, depending on how I'm feeling. I'll still be walking the dog for at least an hour per day, but will try to do 1 or 2 skills-based MovNat-type sessions per week, and also use one of these days each week for the class at KD Gymnastics once they get going.

First thing you'll notice is that there are no metcon days as such. This is deliberate for several reasons: it's high-intensity training that got me into this mess in the first place so I want to start slow, I also realised I was getting conditioned for its own sake, whereas I'd rather acquire the gymnastic/movement skills and strength. I'll still knock out the off CF/Ross-style conditioning session on my "Play" days when if I'm feeling particularly frisky, but otherwise that's the whole plan.

This, to me, ticks all the boxes - it focusses on the goals I want to hit, freshens up my training, gives me plenty of time to rest and play. Meant to be starting next week (w/c 5th September), although I'm on a training course tomorrow, but might not get the time to train! :angry: :lol:

Anyway, that's the distillation of my last couple of months of navel-gazing. Thoughts, impressions, criticisms? Go for it!
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Posted 04 September 2011 - 09:06 PM

In short (iPhone issues)
If you can sort out in your mind what the right goals are for you then the journey has a lot more meaning and will be more enjoyable.

Be interested to know your views on sommers book as I'm heading in a similar direction (see my trog for more info).
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