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Should you feel overtrained as you step up your training?
I've stepped up recently and towards the end of my cycles (4 on 1 off) I've been feeling overtrainined - mostly affecting sleep. I was thinking that this should really be part of the training effort, i.e. to use cues like this to tell you when to have a rest day. Also that prehaps you should feel overtrainined now and again to ensure your body is being pushed. What're your views?
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 09:40 AM
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"If you stay ready, you don't have to get ready"
"The mind always gives out before the body. You値l pass out before you die."
"We'll be as we are when all the fools around us fade away"
"Successful men and women are very careful in reaching decisions and very persistent and determined in action thereafter."
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 06:27 PM
You should definitely train to your limits, but not every day that is something I have certainly learned the hard way. Try changing to 3 - 1 or 5 - 2. Also look at your nutrition. Especially pre bed. This is something I have had to look at ref overtraining as I am doing over 150 miles some weeks on my bike and also doing my real training, so the minute I start feeling 'odd' I back off and add a rest day irrelevant of what my plan is.
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 07:43 PM
What sort of things are you eating pre bed? I've been having either a large glass of whole milk or maybe some ham and nuts or something similar.
150mi a week? you got an event yet to make another use of all those miles?
150mi a week? you got an event yet to make another use of all those miles?
"Pain is weakness leaving the body"
"If you stay ready, you don't have to get ready"
"The mind always gives out before the body. You値l pass out before you die."
"We'll be as we are when all the fools around us fade away"
"Successful men and women are very careful in reaching decisions and very persistent and determined in action thereafter."
Sponsor me for the Outlaw Iron Distance Tri (Cancer Research) - https://mydonate.bt....s/chrisbarclay1
"If you stay ready, you don't have to get ready"
"The mind always gives out before the body. You値l pass out before you die."
"We'll be as we are when all the fools around us fade away"
"Successful men and women are very careful in reaching decisions and very persistent and determined in action thereafter."
Sponsor me for the Outlaw Iron Distance Tri (Cancer Research) - https://mydonate.bt....s/chrisbarclay1
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 09:45 PM
My pre-bed ritual is:
#1: I Started going to bed 30 min earlier since 1st Jan. That made a big difference as I was asleep by the time i would normally would have gone to bed.
#2: nutrition is: 10gm BCAA - 2gm Acetyl L Glutamine - 2gm L Arginine. All powder form mixed with pure pineapple juice. If I don't take it I can really tell the difference. But I also take this on waking-pre & post training but also with 0.5gm L Carnitine. I cycle the L Arginine 3 wks on 2 off.
Event: no, mileage is due to selling my car ages ago and just not getting another one. I like all the spare cash:-))
My main training is not conducive to an endurance event though, as I am putting muscle on as I am training like a fighter at the min and loving it.
Although I am doing the fan dance on July 16th with some ex military buddies:-0 last one back gets em in race!
But give the above ago. I know it can be expensive but try just pre bed and post session I swear you will notice the difference. BCAA & L Glut if not the others. I swear by them.
#1: I Started going to bed 30 min earlier since 1st Jan. That made a big difference as I was asleep by the time i would normally would have gone to bed.
#2: nutrition is: 10gm BCAA - 2gm Acetyl L Glutamine - 2gm L Arginine. All powder form mixed with pure pineapple juice. If I don't take it I can really tell the difference. But I also take this on waking-pre & post training but also with 0.5gm L Carnitine. I cycle the L Arginine 3 wks on 2 off.
Event: no, mileage is due to selling my car ages ago and just not getting another one. I like all the spare cash:-))
My main training is not conducive to an endurance event though, as I am putting muscle on as I am training like a fighter at the min and loving it.
Although I am doing the fan dance on July 16th with some ex military buddies:-0 last one back gets em in race!
But give the above ago. I know it can be expensive but try just pre bed and post session I swear you will notice the difference. BCAA & L Glut if not the others. I swear by them.
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 10:38 PM
How much are we talking about here (per day)?
"Pain is weakness leaving the body"
"If you stay ready, you don't have to get ready"
"The mind always gives out before the body. You値l pass out before you die."
"We'll be as we are when all the fools around us fade away"
"Successful men and women are very careful in reaching decisions and very persistent and determined in action thereafter."
Sponsor me for the Outlaw Iron Distance Tri (Cancer Research) - https://mydonate.bt....s/chrisbarclay1
"If you stay ready, you don't have to get ready"
"The mind always gives out before the body. You値l pass out before you die."
"We'll be as we are when all the fools around us fade away"
"Successful men and women are very careful in reaching decisions and very persistent and determined in action thereafter."
Sponsor me for the Outlaw Iron Distance Tri (Cancer Research) - https://mydonate.bt....s/chrisbarclay1
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Posted 22 February 2011 - 01:33 PM
OK Cheers
How do you find your bodyweight on this? I've done a bit of reading on BCAA and my main concern is on the added muscle part. I think I'm pretty much as heavy as I'd want to be (maybe a bit over) for long distance tri. I appreciate your views on this.
How do you find your bodyweight on this? I've done a bit of reading on BCAA and my main concern is on the added muscle part. I think I'm pretty much as heavy as I'd want to be (maybe a bit over) for long distance tri. I appreciate your views on this.
"Pain is weakness leaving the body"
"If you stay ready, you don't have to get ready"
"The mind always gives out before the body. You値l pass out before you die."
"We'll be as we are when all the fools around us fade away"
"Successful men and women are very careful in reaching decisions and very persistent and determined in action thereafter."
Sponsor me for the Outlaw Iron Distance Tri (Cancer Research) - https://mydonate.bt....s/chrisbarclay1
"If you stay ready, you don't have to get ready"
"The mind always gives out before the body. You値l pass out before you die."
"We'll be as we are when all the fools around us fade away"
"Successful men and women are very careful in reaching decisions and very persistent and determined in action thereafter."
Sponsor me for the Outlaw Iron Distance Tri (Cancer Research) - https://mydonate.bt....s/chrisbarclay1
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Posted 23 February 2011 - 07:11 PM
First and foremost you should look at your body composition, how much bf are you carrying? 20% 15% 10%? if I was competing I would certainly look at getting rid of excess and replace that fat mass loss with lean mass if you are happy at that BW?
Also look at your training is it conducive to lean gain? I would say not so in that context I would have no concern. The BCAA will certainly aid recovery and maintain and stave off any lean tissue loss which ultimately is your main concern. And it is one mistake that many endurance athletes make, they sacrifice too much lean tissue. Their ratio of carb protein seems to be way off for many of them.
Also look at your training is it conducive to lean gain? I would say not so in that context I would have no concern. The BCAA will certainly aid recovery and maintain and stave off any lean tissue loss which ultimately is your main concern. And it is one mistake that many endurance athletes make, they sacrifice too much lean tissue. Their ratio of carb protein seems to be way off for many of them.
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Posted 25 February 2011 - 10:30 AM
on my current training I appear to be dropping bf and gaining weight (gone from a little over 13st to now 13.4 since starting more cardio) so not sure how best to tweak that and start on the bcaa for best results tbh. going to have a 50% cycle over the next three days and then start on the full CFE program (as per last year) as this went pretty well really. That might lessen then weight gain as tere is less heavier stuff (although I've been avoiding most heavy stuff anyway).
"Pain is weakness leaving the body"
"If you stay ready, you don't have to get ready"
"The mind always gives out before the body. You値l pass out before you die."
"We'll be as we are when all the fools around us fade away"
"Successful men and women are very careful in reaching decisions and very persistent and determined in action thereafter."
Sponsor me for the Outlaw Iron Distance Tri (Cancer Research) - https://mydonate.bt....s/chrisbarclay1
"If you stay ready, you don't have to get ready"
"The mind always gives out before the body. You値l pass out before you die."
"We'll be as we are when all the fools around us fade away"
"Successful men and women are very careful in reaching decisions and very persistent and determined in action thereafter."
Sponsor me for the Outlaw Iron Distance Tri (Cancer Research) - https://mydonate.bt....s/chrisbarclay1
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