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Anyone tried any of these?
Just recently my sleep's gone to pot, so I though I might try Nytol or Kalms or one of those. I seem to rememer Roob Wolf saying he thought that some of these were a good idea, but he was probably talking about a product you can only buy in the US.
Anyway, going to buy one of these and give it a go tonight, just wanted to see if anyone had any expericence of them to share.
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Posted 29 November 2010 - 07:32 PM
What's the key issue bud?
Getting to sleep? And/or the quality of sleep when it happens?
Getting to sleep? And/or the quality of sleep when it happens?
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Posted 29 November 2010 - 10:11 PM
Yoghurt & L Glut @5mg works for me about 30 min B4 bed.
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Charlie Brooker & Chris Morris.
"Don't get hung up on the stopwatch or times, or even weight lifted, think about technique, technique, technique and listening to your body. You will not perform better every session and that is set in stone. Test your self every month keep a written journal not just a forum, a place where you can keep personal notes that you can read to motivate yourself. Don't compare yourself to others when you are working out and likewise do not think that you are already fit as fcuk!!! As someone will always be in front and behind you, ultimate confidence in your abilities yes, but arrogance no, there is a fine line.
But most of all do the things you hate above the things you like or are good at, this will make you a better athlete. Save the things you like for recreational sessions. But ultimately enjoy it, even when you hate it! And finally remember the mind will always give in before the body!"
Here endeth the lesson.
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Posted 30 November 2010 - 08:41 AM
Thanks guys.
Chet - Got 2 issues mainly:
1 - falling asleep is taking longer than normal. Used to be pretty instant, now it takes a good 10-15 minutes.
2 - getting back to sleep. I always wake up at least once to answer the call of nature in the middle of the night. WHere I used to get back to sleep instantly, it now takes a while. I've not timed it because I reckon that'll just cause anxiety about it.
Tried Nytol herbal last night, may have been a little better. Think it took a bit less time to fall back to sleep in the middle of the night. Don't feel that rested though.
Might give the yoghurt & L-Glut idea a go if things don't improve, cheers Mark.
Chet - Got 2 issues mainly:
1 - falling asleep is taking longer than normal. Used to be pretty instant, now it takes a good 10-15 minutes.
2 - getting back to sleep. I always wake up at least once to answer the call of nature in the middle of the night. WHere I used to get back to sleep instantly, it now takes a while. I've not timed it because I reckon that'll just cause anxiety about it.
Tried Nytol herbal last night, may have been a little better. Think it took a bit less time to fall back to sleep in the middle of the night. Don't feel that rested though.
Might give the yoghurt & L-Glut idea a go if things don't improve, cheers Mark.
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Posted 20 December 2010 - 06:17 PM
Bit late but I'll throw in my 2p.
I have pretty bad sleep, its been better recently but in perspective, a good nights sleep for is getting to sleep about 30-40 mins after going to bed, often it will take several hours, and sometimes I won't sleep at all. Some of my reccomendatons are as follows;
1) Exercise, but I assume you've already got this covered.
2)Nytol (the normal stuff), this is ok but you build a resistance fairly quickly.
3)5-HTP seemed to have an effect but I'm not sure how much.
4) Cough syrup if you're a bit desperate.
Dunno about ZMA, it just gave me crazy dreams.
Obviously there are things which are a bit more effective, but you'll need a prescription. I've heard good things about melatonin so that may be worth a look.
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if it only takes you an extra 15 mins to fall alseep, try and alter your environment a bit. Make sure your room is completely dark and no LED lights, if you can spend as little time in the room you sleep in as you can, unless your sleeping.
I have pretty bad sleep, its been better recently but in perspective, a good nights sleep for is getting to sleep about 30-40 mins after going to bed, often it will take several hours, and sometimes I won't sleep at all. Some of my reccomendatons are as follows;
1) Exercise, but I assume you've already got this covered.
2)Nytol (the normal stuff), this is ok but you build a resistance fairly quickly.
3)5-HTP seemed to have an effect but I'm not sure how much.
4) Cough syrup if you're a bit desperate.
Dunno about ZMA, it just gave me crazy dreams.
Obviously there are things which are a bit more effective, but you'll need a prescription. I've heard good things about melatonin so that may be worth a look.
edit;
if it only takes you an extra 15 mins to fall alseep, try and alter your environment a bit. Make sure your room is completely dark and no LED lights, if you can spend as little time in the room you sleep in as you can, unless your sleeping.
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Posted 20 December 2010 - 08:05 PM
I go for magnesium capsules from MyProtein. Works a treat for me (and is the active ingredient in the stuff RW recommends - Natural Calm)
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Posted 21 December 2010 - 03:45 PM
I have found that a 15-30 minute soak in a bath with 2-4 handfulls of Epsom salts (Magnesium Sulphate) added really helps before going to bed. It helps get you a little more relaxed before going to bed and apparently also acts a Magnesium supplement as Magnesium is readily absorbed through the skin.
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Squat 3x5x135kg , Bench 3x5x62.5kg, Press 3x5x47.5kg, DL 1x5x157.5kg, PC 5x3x55kg
'Grole's Trog' is on www.funckey.co.uk, warriortraining.co.uk & www.ironstrong.org
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Posted 22 December 2010 - 09:53 AM
Ah hot Epsom salt baths. Used to be a staple of my recovery when on football camps in my youth. We used to have the Hot/Cold system - super hot bath with salts then plunge into the ice bath. Repeat. Hated it at the time but there's no denying they helped relax and sooth sore muscles.
Great idea - think I'll start partaking in them again (the hot ones that it - you can keep your ice baths
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Great idea - think I'll start partaking in them again (the hot ones that it - you can keep your ice baths
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Posted 26 December 2010 - 08:32 PM
Have to agree with you on the ice baths. I know they help but I hate them with a real passion!
45 yo, 183 cm, 95 kg BW
Squat 3x5x135kg , Bench 3x5x62.5kg, Press 3x5x47.5kg, DL 1x5x157.5kg, PC 5x3x55kg
'Grole's Trog' is on www.funckey.co.uk, warriortraining.co.uk & www.ironstrong.org
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Squat 3x5x135kg , Bench 3x5x62.5kg, Press 3x5x47.5kg, DL 1x5x157.5kg, PC 5x3x55kg
'Grole's Trog' is on www.funckey.co.uk, warriortraining.co.uk & www.ironstrong.org
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Posted 28 December 2010 - 01:29 AM
Having a hot bath about 30 mins before going to bed is supposed to be good, as it raises your body temp, so when you get out it drops again, which can be beneficial for inducing sleep, or so I've heard.
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Posted 08 January 2011 - 05:54 PM
Great topic guys, good quality sleep is so often disregarded as a requirement for maximising gains.
I have had a few readjustments to make in my lifestyle recently which effected my sleep patterns, Phenegan (spelling?) was recommended to me by a medic friend and is available from chemists. Not tried it yet, but will if nothing improves.
@mark... I will try the l-glut. and yogurt and post my results here after a few days as I have that available now.
A little off topic, but I read recently in 'Pavel - Power to the People' That exercise prior to bed acts as a 'tonic', I presume this suggests it is a good idea to train before bed? Can anyone clarify?
I have had a few readjustments to make in my lifestyle recently which effected my sleep patterns, Phenegan (spelling?) was recommended to me by a medic friend and is available from chemists. Not tried it yet, but will if nothing improves.
@mark... I will try the l-glut. and yogurt and post my results here after a few days as I have that available now.
A little off topic, but I read recently in 'Pavel - Power to the People' That exercise prior to bed acts as a 'tonic', I presume this suggests it is a good idea to train before bed? Can anyone clarify?
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