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Check this piece out regarding dairy, Cordains approach to it, etc
http://www.paleonu.c...e-of-dairy.html
Thought it was a good wee piece to promote a little thinking.
How do you guys feel about dairy, particularly its place within a Paleo diet?
For those that eat Paleo, do you include dairy? Why/why not?
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Dairy ...and its place in a Paleo diet
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 12:46 AM
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 09:04 AM
I like to think I follow a paleo "style" of diet (basically paleo + dairy + porridge and oatcakes) so not sure how relevant I am to this.
Anyway, I think the inclusion of dairy is very much an individual thing. For me I have tried removing it from my diet (as a test for asthma) and found it made no difference (either in astma or performance). That said I did try to increase my intake using non-organic dairy which seemed to result in some sinus problems. As a result I now use dairy in three ways. Pwo, in my porridge, and on the odd occasion after an evening meal (rather than desert), all if this using organic. I find this works well for ME, a good mix of protein and carb.
I think something like this needs individual testing to make full sense of it as there seems to be a wide variety of responses to including it.
One other thing, I think it also depends on what you eat for. If you eat for longevity as well as performance you may have other parameters to consider over someone who wants performance/short term results.
Now after reading up on this I find that I do not eat zone and dr sears is officially the devil (not domino pizza). Also, need to investigate more on oats.
Anyway, I think the inclusion of dairy is very much an individual thing. For me I have tried removing it from my diet (as a test for asthma) and found it made no difference (either in astma or performance). That said I did try to increase my intake using non-organic dairy which seemed to result in some sinus problems. As a result I now use dairy in three ways. Pwo, in my porridge, and on the odd occasion after an evening meal (rather than desert), all if this using organic. I find this works well for ME, a good mix of protein and carb.
I think something like this needs individual testing to make full sense of it as there seems to be a wide variety of responses to including it.
One other thing, I think it also depends on what you eat for. If you eat for longevity as well as performance you may have other parameters to consider over someone who wants performance/short term results.
Now after reading up on this I find that I do not eat zone and dr sears is officially the devil (not domino pizza). Also, need to investigate more on oats.
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 02:02 PM
I am back to eating in a clean way, you can call it Paleo zone proportioned dairy nutrition:
I don't agree with the perception that we are not adapted to eat dairy foods, but I am also aware that many people have problems with digestion, however the same can be said with fish / nuts, people have problems with them.
So I include dairy: #1 I love milk and yog ad have no problems with digestion. #2 When I have experimented in the past with removing it, I felt worse.
My main dairy products are skimmed milk and natural plain yogourt.
I do the same as FK, I now have my Porridge/Whey PP/Almonds/Milk as my main workouts PWO meal and I have yog/Whey PP/almond flakes pre bed as I have found it helps me sleep.
I don't agree with the perception that we are not adapted to eat dairy foods, but I am also aware that many people have problems with digestion, however the same can be said with fish / nuts, people have problems with them.
So I include dairy: #1 I love milk and yog ad have no problems with digestion. #2 When I have experimented in the past with removing it, I felt worse.
My main dairy products are skimmed milk and natural plain yogourt.
I do the same as FK, I now have my Porridge/Whey PP/Almonds/Milk as my main workouts PWO meal and I have yog/Whey PP/almond flakes pre bed as I have found it helps me sleep.
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Charlie Brooker & Chris Morris.
"Don't get hung up on the stopwatch or times, or even weight lifted, think about technique, technique, technique and listening to your body. You will not perform better every session and that is set in stone. Test your self every month keep a written journal not just a forum, a place where you can keep personal notes that you can read to motivate yourself. Don't compare yourself to others when you are working out and likewise do not think that you are already fit as fcuk!!! As someone will always be in front and behind you, ultimate confidence in your abilities yes, but arrogance no, there is a fine line.
But most of all do the things you hate above the things you like or are good at, this will make you a better athlete. Save the things you like for recreational sessions. But ultimately enjoy it, even when you hate it! And finally remember the mind will always give in before the body!"
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Posted 11 January 2010 - 03:43 PM
I've done the strict paleo thing for a couple of months before, then reintroduced things like milk and cheese into my diet, and to be honest, didn't feel the slightest bit different. So when I'm looking to gain weight (which is pretty much all the time these days, what with being a skinny git...) I have no problem eating cheese or drinking milk. Which is nice, because I love the stuff!
I do notice a small difference when I hit the grains, but nothing major. I try and avoid things like pasta, rice and bread because I'll just end up eating silly quantities of the stuff... it's too easy to. Obviously I have the odd meal out here and there which is heavy on the carbs, but hey, you've gotta live a bit..
What Mark posted on the other thread about his days as a Marine was spot on in my mind. If you're training hard and with the right volume you can just about get away with eating anything as long as the protein is still there. Hell, most of the people I know who train eat exactly the stuff Mark was on about, and they're in great shape - strong and fast. So I don't place too much of an emphasis on diet these days like I used to - just try to train right and enjoy myself, and the rest seems to follow. Strict diets like the Zone aren't for me either... they almost give me a bloody eating disorder!
I do notice a small difference when I hit the grains, but nothing major. I try and avoid things like pasta, rice and bread because I'll just end up eating silly quantities of the stuff... it's too easy to. Obviously I have the odd meal out here and there which is heavy on the carbs, but hey, you've gotta live a bit..
What Mark posted on the other thread about his days as a Marine was spot on in my mind. If you're training hard and with the right volume you can just about get away with eating anything as long as the protein is still there. Hell, most of the people I know who train eat exactly the stuff Mark was on about, and they're in great shape - strong and fast. So I don't place too much of an emphasis on diet these days like I used to - just try to train right and enjoy myself, and the rest seems to follow. Strict diets like the Zone aren't for me either... they almost give me a bloody eating disorder!
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