[Manny]

..so we were at Chet`s garage, training, and Chet end up teaching me how to do sumo dead lift. As always, very good coaching from Chet. I have lifted weight I never ever shifted before,sooo I was well pleased.....

and here you go...you can comment and improve my technique..you guys are more experience in power stuff then me soooo

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=xdKkRyhN8nk

[Gubernatrix]

Well done! I like the 'take the tension out' cue, very useful. Some people say 'squeeze' the bar but I prefer the former.

It's not easy to tell from that angle what's going on with your sumo lift though. It looks good but I can't really see how your hips are driving in or what your back's doing.

Still, it's working for you. Sumo is not the easiest stance to get used to but you seem to suit it.

[Manny]

Gubernatrix, on Oct 22 2009, 06:46 PM, said:

Well done! I like the 'take the tension out' cue, very useful. Some people say 'squeeze' the bar but I prefer the former.

It's not easy to tell from that angle what's going on with your sumo lift though. It looks good but I can't really see how your hips are driving in or what your back's doing.

Still, it's working for you. Sumo is not the easiest stance to get used to but you seem to suit it.

I know my hips when up before my shoulders, but I think that my back was fine.....Dunno, seems that sumo is easier for me...must have a strong (ish) legs....

But thanks for comment

[Gubernatrix]

Manny, on Oct 22 2009, 08:25 PM, said:

I know my hips when up before my shoulders

That's not quite what I meant. With sumo, there is more of a hip drive in towards the bar as you squat the weight up. I find it comes with practice - in fact my own hip action isn't as good as it should be at the moment, I need to work on it a bit more. It's no big deal though.

[marcus clarke]

never tried sumo deadlifts, do they allow you lift more weight than normal deads?

just interested as the CF WOD's never do Sumo style ones.

[Franz29]

marcus clarke, on Oct 22 2009, 09:35 PM, said:

never tried sumo deadlifts, do they allow you lift more weight than normal deads?

just interested as the CF WOD's never do Sumo style ones.

'cept with a darned high pull!

Sumo style may allow you to lift more because the weight doesn't have to move as far and the quads are more dominant than in regular style. There is a lot of debate on the subject, especially when it comes to size of the lifter. Seems smaller lifters do better with sumo style and larger lifters do better with regular. Of course there are exceptions so I guess it comes down to which style you prefer and concentrate on.

I did find this article on the subject which has some good points. It's a limited study but the results correlate with my experiences. There were a couple of good studies on the subject back in 2000 and 2002 that I read back in the day. I will see if I can track them down on Athens.

[Gubernatrix]

Different people suit the different stances. Sumo is particularly popular with female lifters as they tend to have stronger legs than lower back and shorter levers.

Still, remember that the world's best deadlifter lifts conventional style.

[Franz29]

Found them;

An electromyographic analysis of sumo and
conventional style deadlifts
RAFAEL F. ESCAMILLA, ANTHONY C. FRANCISCO, ANDREW V. KAYES, KEVIN P. SPEER, and
CLAUDE T. MOORMAN, III
Michael W. Krzyzewski Human Performance Laboratory, Division of Orthopaedic Surgery, Duke University Medical
Center, Durham, NC
MEDICINE & SCIENCE IN SPORTS & EXERCISE®
Copyright © 2002 by the American College of Sports Medicine

and

A three-dimensional biomechanical
analysis of sumo and conventional
style deadlifts
RAFAEL F. ESCAMILLA, ANTHONY C. FRANCISCO, GLENN S. FLEISIG, STEVEN W. BARRENTINE,
CHRISTIAN M. WELCH, ANDREW V. KAYES, KEVIN P. SPEER, and JAMES R. ANDREWS
Michael W. Krzyzewski Human Performance Laboratory, Division of Orthopaedic Surgery, Duke University Medical
Center, Durham, NC 27710; American Sports Medicine Institute, Birmingham, AL 35205; and Human Performance
Technologies, Inc., Jupiter, FL 33477
MEDICINE & SCIENCE IN SPORTS & EXERCISE®
Copyright © 2000 by the American College of Sports Medicine

I have the PDFs if anyone is interested in reading them. Not going to post them because they are copyrighted material so to do so would be wrong

Oh, and Manny, sorry for jacking your thread a little there. Nice lifting. On some of the lifts I notice you bounce your butt a little to start the lift which may restrict you somewhat because it changes the back angle a little (not sue if Chet mentioned that or not in the video, my laptop has no sound at the moment). Looking solid though.

[FK Pimp]

crikey - i never knew there was so much to the deadlift... makes me think I'm probably doing it all wrong!

good strong lifts manny

[Chet]

From just over 2 x BW to just under 2.5 x BW in one session!

Fantastic work Manny, and the 2.5 x BW and the big 200 are both yours for the taking very soon.

Gubernatrix, on Oct 22 2009, 05:46 PM, said:

It looks good but I can't really see how your hips are driving in or what your back's doing.

Back was fine and hip drive was indeed one of the aspects we were working on

[Manny]

Thanks guys, I`ll work on what you have mentioned.

[Manny]

I have the PDFs if anyone is interested in reading them. Not going to post them because they are copyrighted material so to do so would be wrong


Hi franz
Could you send me a copy pls.
Thanks

[slimbops]

Manny, on Nov 15 2009, 08:08 AM, said:

I have the PDFs if anyone is interested in reading them. Not going to post them because they are copyrighted material so to do so would be wrong


Hi franz
Could you send me a copy pls.
Thanks

Would you be able to send me a copy as well please mate. Currently working hard on improving my deadlift...

[Chet]

slimbops, on Nov 16 2009, 06:16 PM, said:

Would you be able to send me a copy as well please mate. Currently working hard on improving my deadlift...

Aren't we all...

Hello and welcome to FK mate.

Put up a wee post and tell us a little about yourself, in the intro section?

[Gubernatrix]

Ha! I'll have to ask Chet very nicely if he'll coach my deadlift too. It's rubbish!

[Chet]

Gubernatrix, on Nov 17 2009, 01:24 PM, said:

Ha! I'll have to ask Chet very nicely if he'll coach my deadlift too. It's rubbish!

Hardly rubbish! But yes of course

And on that note...I have mentioned this to a few of you during deadlift coaching discussions and am happy to announce it is now all confirmed:

Deadlift Workshop with CrossFit London UK

[BigCon6409]

Great Deadlifting mate

2.5 x BW