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Anthony, the resident training expert on Mansized has just posted the following in a discussion about the smith machine:
"There is no outcome that a properly designed free weight only routine can achieve better than one that uses machines.
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Unless you have a bias, a Smith Machine overall doesn't offer any more or less than a barbell. "
This just makes me want to cry. How the hell do you respond to someone who truly thinks this?
It's like someone being absolutely convinced that the sky is green. It's very difficult to explain that it is actually blue, because they just don't see it that way.
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Smith machines Keeping up with the Jones...or not
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Posted 29 September 2009 - 02:14 PM
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Posted 29 September 2009 - 02:58 PM
Where is this lad coming from? I wonder and what "outcomes" he's talking about? It should be easy to compare strength, get someone with a 120kg smith squat and make them do a real one, then get someone with a 120kg real squat and see what they can do on a smith and compare. The same should apply for the press and bench etc. Depends on what he's looking for though, I presume you can get "the pump" from a smith if that's how you judge the effectiveness of something. Aside from that, I have no idea, maybe he's just wrong!
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Posted 30 September 2009 - 08:29 AM
"here is no outcome that a properly designed free weight only routine can achieve better than one that uses machines"
Trouble is, go to any of the "approved" PT courses and that is exactly the type of rubbish you are taught. Unfortunately too many people go to these courses and never think to question the instructors, even after the course and after "real world" experience. You just can't make people see if they insist on wearing blinkers.
I guess at least we can beat him to death with the free weights for such stupidity - machines might be too heavy for that task!
Trouble is, go to any of the "approved" PT courses and that is exactly the type of rubbish you are taught. Unfortunately too many people go to these courses and never think to question the instructors, even after the course and after "real world" experience. You just can't make people see if they insist on wearing blinkers.
I guess at least we can beat him to death with the free weights for such stupidity - machines might be too heavy for that task!
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Posted 30 September 2009 - 05:39 PM
I used to use the smith machine relentlessly during my 3 sets of 10 routines of bench blah blah.
Never use it now, but I did see in a fitness mag a 'Jones' machine that moves backwards and fowards as well as the upward movement. Never used it, but I reckon it would closely mimick a true movment better than the normal smith machine.
Even if the gym had one I wouldnt use it.
functional trg all the way for me from now on.
Never use it now, but I did see in a fitness mag a 'Jones' machine that moves backwards and fowards as well as the upward movement. Never used it, but I reckon it would closely mimick a true movment better than the normal smith machine.
Even if the gym had one I wouldnt use it.
functional trg all the way for me from now on.
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Posted 30 September 2009 - 09:15 PM
marcus clarke, on Sep 30 2009, 06:39 PM, said:
Never use it now, but I did see in a fitness mag a 'Jones' machine that moves backwards and fowards as well as the upward movement. Never used it, but I reckon it would closely mimick a true movment better than the normal smith machine.
i tried one out once, just felt weird and is sill no substitute for a free weights
smith type machines are weird, as they introduce friction and resistance into the game, which makes movements feel awkard
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Charlie Brooker & Chris Morris.
"Don't get hung up on the stopwatch or times, or even weight lifted, think about technique, technique, technique and listening to your body. You will not perform better every session and that is set in stone. Test your self every month keep a written journal not just a forum, a place where you can keep personal notes that you can read to motivate yourself. Don't compare yourself to others when you are working out and likewise do not think that you are already fit as fcuk!!! As someone will always be in front and behind you, ultimate confidence in your abilities yes, but arrogance no, there is a fine line.
But most of all do the things you hate above the things you like or are good at, this will make you a better athlete. Save the things you like for recreational sessions. But ultimately enjoy it, even when you hate it! And finally remember the mind will always give in before the body!"
Here endeth the lesson.
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The Box mail.
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